Best Italo Dance Hits vol.III

February 14th, 2009 - 13:52

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The selection is not the best seen and the third edition of the series is actually the worst of the three but definitely worth buying if you enjoy dance or if you own the other two volumes.

I'm totally agree in that point of view

Nice review Luc !

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February 14th, 2009 - 13:59

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Nice review!! ...maybe it's not the best - but it also reflects the quality of italo releases in that period. Maybe that's the reason there are some more eurodance style tracks...

Though I would give it 4 stars!

February 14th, 2009 - 14:09

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First i was about to rate it 3.5 but since CFE is lame at making things works, () I had to choose between 3 and 4.. so think 3 fits better

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1 is poor - not worth buying
2 is not very good
3 is average
4 is good
5 is very good
6 is perfect

I agree.. it's not good enough to be rated 4 but not average enough for the poor rating, so 3.5 fits. - our system just dont work that way

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Lucky65 wrote:

First i was about to rate it 3.5 but since CFE is lame at making things works, (

) I had to choose between 3 and 4.. so think 3 fits better

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Nice review Luc!

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THX for the review…interesting to read but in my opinion a bit too subjective not really reflecting the main goal of BIDH…I can understand the italo specialist’s point of view but actually there is much more strategy behind this compilation than many of you may think…

Let’s take some time to write a bit about it and maybe cause a little general discussion with it hehe…

The material included on BIDH 3…
Let’s start with the material included on BIDH 3…the title is still Best ITALO Dance Hits since the majority of traxx on it is italodance & since it wouldn’t be good to change the existing title to Best (Euro)Dance Hits or whatever since Dance is mainly associated with Hands Up Dance in Asia….It’s mentioned in the intro words + promo spots that dance lovers will find Italo & Euro material on Vol. 3 reflecting the period since Vol. 2 with a kind of “best of” mixed with top news & prove dance hits (in the sales territory)…therefore not a real argument for me to claim that there’s not 100% italodance on BIDH 3…

The reasons…
Main reason for this slight change is the lack of quality of real italodance productions, main goal was to raise the quality by including styles/songs which are a bit similar with regard to production, tempo, arrangement & catchy sing along theme furthermore to include some known names (many Italodance projects or newer artists are not known at all over there and by the mass)…Furthermore we have to take into consideration that in the main release territories Singapore, Thailand & Malaysia English is working language (lyrics!) and that people do not make such a big difference between Eurodance, Italodance, Italo Disco or commercial Hands Up etc. (there isn’t a real Italo insider dance scene like here in Europe)...for them it’s just commercial dance from Europe…traxx you’ll find at the end of CD 1 are totally OK for the people over there and work much better at discos than many traxx you’ll find in the middle of CD 1 or on CD 2…same situation in many other countries…the word “Italodance” is kind of negative there cause for many dance listeners it nowadays means “low quality dance with bad vocals / production / childish & cheap sounds and wrong lyrics”

Next reason is that the “hits” & known names + sales arguments in the main sales territory are basically none of the italodance traxx or songs mentioned as hits in this review but mainly the commercial euro dance (pop-dance) traxx or remixes you will find in front on CD 1…for some italo specialists that’s maybe a bad argument but when you look at the strategy behind it it’s a good thing cause these known names / tunes make BIDH much more international and interesting for a normal commercial dance lover who maybe liked 2000 italodance but also other commercial dance styles…

The main problem of nowadays “Italodance” is that it’s an underground product which is not mass compatible anymore and therefore fan by fan is lost…the only way to win dance lovers back or to get new ones is to present quality or to sell italodance together with other a bit similar styles or remixes…that strategy for example worked well for “FABRIZIO E MARCO – Fly away”, with 2 editions in various styles the song was able to reach TOP 3 of “Eurodanceweb Awards 2008” which is a kind of Eurodance song-contest done by US Euro radio / djs & journalists every year.

The BIDH specials…
As already mentioned in the review also for BIDH 3 a lot of time was spent for cover & booklet…anyway there is even more making BIDH special compared to other compilations…we have a remix & T-shirt contest + BIDH special traxx only produced for our compilation, pics of the artists in the booklet etc.…e.g. you won’t find Melee Remix done by Rimini project producer anywhere else furthermore it was linked with immense work to authorize it, same for BUM…BIDH 2 remix contest was also a highlight & caused immense work…we received around 50 remixes from around the world and also after contest a lot of remix requests arrive for “call it love”. A great sign for me that producers are still interested to work with quality italo dance material even when some of them are trying to link it with other styles…

The goal…
Main goal of BIDH 3 is to present a kind of best of + news selection of quality italo & euro traxx since Vol. 2 and to try to re-present Italodance on international level for the mass to win dance fans back and to make the situation for Italodance better…

Especially @ ARC-Shop which is the only shop importing BIDH from Asia making it available for international orders I can monitor and analyse the international results. Until now with BIDH 3 we could nearly double the international orders compared to previous volumes and even received requests from US DJ shops where to get this compilation…at the moment the first print (which was not too high this time since music crises meanwhile also hit Asia market) already seems to be sold out everywhere…really hope Warnermusic is going to reprint it…one reason for the growing international interest may be that it’s Vol. 3 of a serie and that we have a new ARC shop but I think the main reason is the material included on BIDH 3 making it even more international than Vol. 1 + 2.

The future of italodance…
At the moment Italodance is a total underground product not accepted by the mass & media only supported by hardcore fans. Furthermore italodance is not international anymore limited to the one or other territory / compilation where the one or other track maybe still works a bit. Many normal dance listeners out there do not even know 1 new italo artist or 1 artist or track appearing on new italo compilations nor they like the quality of many new italodance productions since they will always compare it with the glorious 2000 productions. As we all know music business is in general crisis and CD sales are in the cellar.

So what can we do to make the situation better…
I think first of all most important to release best possible quality productions. I know it’s not very motivating for a producer/writer/label to spend a lot of time when you get incomes/10 compared to years ago and there are no budgets to involve specialists for everything in a production but without quality the situation won’t get better cause you won’t cause interest nor win any fan of the past back nor make italo mass compatible again nor international…

So how can fans motivate producers & labels to do quality? First of all by buying the releases. Furthermore I think it’s important that italo fans think in a bit more open-minded way and accept that producers & labels must try to make Italodance multi-compatible with remixes in different styles to reach more territories / compilations and normal dance listeners besides the italo insiders since the sales and interest are terribly low. At the moment as a producer & label you will earn much more when you spend your time doing another job…a reason why many producers / labels stopped to do Italodance or changed to other styles…there is no motivation at all to do quality except the passion for music…

I think also important that compilers support quality traxx best possible. This means that we would see quality italodance productions on several italodance compilations. I always come across italo fans arguing at forums that the one or other track is already released on another compilation etc. not keeping in mind that you cannot motivate a producer / label to do a quality track when it’s only supported by 1-2 compilations later when every compi is only including exclusive material…Of course not nice when an Italo CD collector buys all compilations and there are some traxx which appear on many of them but we have to keep in mind that the normal dance listener maybe only buys 1 Italo compi out of 3-4 meaning the one which he likes best…furthermore it’s important that quality Italo productions are included on a compi…in my point of view you won’t make the situation better if you include 20 brand new unknown traxx and 15 of them are only medium & poor quality…you will just lose mass listeners & sales potential cause they do not like the quality nor know the artists…finally the result can be that a compilation is cancelled when it does not sell anymore...in Asia for example many dance compis are already cancelled...1 compi less means 1 x support less...

Nowadays I think we cannot expect that a label will release a single with 5 italo mixes only when the song is multi-compatible but what we also cannot accept is that we get a release of a known Italo Dance artist without any italodance version…when you can reach more listeners / territories / compilations / sales / support etc. with a multi-compatible release the producers, writers & labels will be more motivated to put their time into a release, italodance will be more international even when it’s only a part of a release and the people who buy the product or djs / media in general will also listen the italodance version(s) and maybe like & support it / them…with such a multi-compatible quality product the potential is much higher that you can cause a bit of attention for italodance and make the situation better than with releasing an only italodance product which is limited to underground from the beginning…

The strategy of BIDH is pretty similar with one main difference that italodance is presented together with commercial eurodance / pop-dance traxx which are pretty close from style compared to the hands up & (electro) house traxx appearing together with Italo stuff on other compilations…

So far some ideas & statements from my side…happy discussion hehe

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February 15th, 2009 - 15:45

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...but what we also cannot accept is that we get a release of a known Italo Dance artist without any italodance version…when you can reach more listeners / territories / compilations / sales / support etc.

Had to quote this part ...cause I 1000x agree
For all the known italo artists that has changed style ....where they go from KNOWN to UNKNOWN.... They would sell more if there was ÍTALO version, cause their "old" fans would buy it.

@ CYTi - I also agree on the rest, this is just the part that confuses me

I really like the idea with more different versions of styles on the cds! [as long as it's the best italodance version there is on it :D]

BTW. Talking about Asia - In the movie called "Bangkok Dangerous" with Nicolas Cage, there is a scene @ a club where many girls are dancing - and I got catched by the song cause it had very italo-euro sound in it

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Had to quote this part ...cause I 1000x agree

For all the known italo artists that has changed style ....where they go from KNOWN to UNKNOWN.... They would sell more if there was ÍTALO version, cause their "old" fans would buy it.

this is something I do not like at all...some artists are only known because of Italodance and then they just change style or do not even do 1 quality Italodance version (no prob for them to do it) because the sales are low or because there is not so much support...if I like or love a style and if I am part of the success of the past I am also responsible a bit when the style is not in its best moment and can at least try to support it a bit to make things better again...if some good names do that it's much easier to initiate a trend...

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February 15th, 2009 - 16:06

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Yes...

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Great to hear that you care about your business and your style of music, that's the spirit, I do have to comment some of your critics on our way of reviewing.

C.Y.T. wrote:

THX for the review…interesting to read but in my opinion a bit too subjective not really reflecting the main goal of BIDH.

A review is the subjective opinion of the reviewer on the reviewed material. Musical taste and musical quality is relative, you can only describe it subjectively. When writing reviews we do not care about whatever goals producers may have with their productions, we care about the quality of the actual music and that is what a review reflects.

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The material included on BIDH 3… Let’s start with the material included on BIDH 3…the title is still Best ITALO Dance Hits since the majority of traxx on it is italodance & since it wouldn’t be good to change the existing title to Best (Euro)Dance Hits or whatever since Dance is mainly associated with Hands Up Dance in Asia….It’s mentioned in the intro words + promo spots that dance lovers will find Italo & Euro material on Vol. 3 reflecting the period since Vol. 2 with a kind of “best of” mixed with top news & prove dance hits (in the sales territory)…therefore not a real argument for me to claim that there’s not 100% italodance on BIDH 3…

We never expected you to do so either. What we criticize is the amount of other dance music apart from italodance. The new volume contains about 5 times as many non-italodance tracks than the previous two compilations and that is what the compilation is critized for. You may have your reasons for the selection, but as described before, we only care about the overall quality of the music.

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The goal… Main goal of BIDH 3 is to present a kind of best of + news selection of quality italo & euro traxx since Vol. 2 and to try to re-present Italodance on international level for the mass to win dance fans back and to make the situation for Italodance better…

I must say that after reading the booklet of both volume I and II, you clearly get the impression that BIDH is an italo compilation. quote from the booklet: "On 2 CDs you will find 40 hot, ass-kicking & not mixed "Italo Dance" traxx from Europe" and "Following our concept on "BIDH Vol. 2" you will again find 38 hot, not mixed "Italo Dance" traxx" But in the BIDH vol.III it suddenly says: "On "BEST ITALO DANCE HITS Vol. 3" you will find 40 hot, not mixed "Italo Euro Dance" traxx. That is a definite change in concept and a disappointment for most 'hardcore' italodance fans.

This makes a good opportunity to specify the target group of IDP and its reviews. IDP is a community for fans of italodance and most of our users are what you would call hardcore italodance fans, therefore it is also obvious to review from this point of view. If you wanted the opinion of the mass you wouldn't go here you would probably read a review in a newspaper or a less specialized music site.
A specialized community likes specialized compilations!

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interesting point of view starting at the basis "what is a (good) review"...
maybe some comments how I see this topic...

CFE wrote:

A review is the subjective opinion of the reviewer on the reviewed material. Musical taste and musical quality is relative, you can only describe it subjectively. When writing reviews we do not care about whatever goals producers may have with their productions, we care about the quality of the actual music and that is what a review reflects.

In my point of view a good public (!) product review (in contrast to a feedback or personal comment on a topic) is an analysis linked with constructive criticism based on knowledge & facts + rating & advise.

I would compare it a bit with a good newspaper article or review in a magazine with regard to objectivity...a good journalist always analysis the facts and situation first and does not basically write what he/she personally thinks. The additional evaluation and final summary in a review with final rating of a product and advise has of course to do with the subjective view of the reviewer therefore a review can never be 100% objective but should not be too subjective too since the goal of a review is to advise the readers and to inform them about the product and what's on it...at least that's what I expect from a review.

Anyway I also know that it's everything else than easy to write a review and I also see the good will and intention of the IDP crew to review italo products and to help italodance with it, no question about that...

What I personally expect from a music review is that the reviewer listens through a product carefully, that he knows and is informed about the style, market situation and released products and also reads the booklet or checks the press info to know the basic facts of the product he / she reviews. Of course I also have to take the mission of a product + release territory and its target audience into consideration and check if and how a product reaches its goal.

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But in the BIDH vol.III it suddenly says: "On "BEST ITALO DANCE HITS Vol. 3" you will find 40 hot, not mixed "Italo Euro Dance" traxx. That is a definite change in concept and a disappointment for most 'hardcore' italodance fans.

When you think about what a compiler can do to announce a slight change in the concept you will realize that we already informed about it from the beginning with the intention not to surprise nor to disappoint anyone...it's mentioned in the intro words, press info, forum topics, on IDP BIDH site + also included in the spots that there are Italo & Euro traxx on Vol. 3, therefore I would not talk about a big surprise we cannot put a big sticker on compi saying: attention there are some euro traxx on it too...

I think not so good to complain about something which is stated clearly taking it as main argument to lower the quality of a product not taking many other facts into consideration like the product mission, what the compilation offers, specials, known feedbacks or references of the material included, release territory, product target audience, market situation etc.

CFE wrote:

IDP is a community for fans of italodance and most of our users are what you would call hardcore italodance fans, therefore it is also obvious to review from this point of view. If you wanted the opinion of the mass you wouldn't go here you would probably read a review in a newspaper or a less specialized music site. A specialized community likes specialized compilations!

basically true, the active users are indeed what I would call "hardcore italodance fans" anyway what you did not take into consideration is that the readers and non-active visitors are not only hardcore fans but also normal dance listeners being interested in italodance too arriving via google, links on dance boards, radio & general music promo sites etc.

IDP is the official promo partner of BIDH and the link is in every BIDH booklet and in all compi announcements...people come here to listen through the BIDH samples or to check what's on IDP site, the reviews, what's written in the forum etc...

if you write a front site review of an italo product I think it could be good to write it not only from a personal italo specialist's point of view (or at least mention that the one or other argument is a specific personal point of view)...

if I would come here as normal dance listener (e.g. as Eurodance listener from US) who is interested in italodance too and see the rating + read this review I would get a wrong impression of the product since info about product mission (best of since vol. 2 + news + local hits and top artists), release territory and a lot of specials which only this compilation offers, the international top artists or songs (some of them released in many countries), target territory hits, first compiled traxx or mixes or special remixes is not really mentioned...furthermore I see a rating which is based on the main argument that there are some Euro traxx on a compilation which announced that there are some Euro traxx on it too

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C.Y.T. wrote:

In my point of view a good public (!) product review (in contrast to a feedback or personal comment on a topic) is an analysis linked with constructive criticism based on knowledge & facts + rating & advise.

I would compare it a bit with a good newspaper article or review in a magazine with regard to objectivity...a good journalist always analysis the facts and situation first and does not basically write what he/she personally thinks. The additional evaluation and final summary in a review with final rating of a product and advise has of course to do with the subjective view of the reviewer therefore a review can never be 100% objective but should not be too subjective too since the goal of a review is to advise the readers and to inform them about the product and what's on it...at least that's what I expect from a review.

Anyway I also know that it's everything else than easy to write a review and I also see the good will and intention of the IDP crew to review italo products and to help italodance with it, no question about that...

What I personally expect from a music review is that the reviewer listens through a product carefully, that he knows and is informed about the style, market situation and released products and also reads the booklet or checks the press info to know the basic facts of the product he / she reviews. Of course I also have to take the mission of a product + release territory and its target audience into consideration and check if and how a product reaches its goal.

I absolutely agree in your idea of what an review is. A review does have to have some objectivity but it can never be completely objective like a news article for instance. If I write "this stinks" without any argumentation it would of course not contain any objectivity. But that is not the case in any of our reviews. As I mentioned before you may have your reasons for the selection but what we care for is the overall quality - especially italodance. It is fair to argue for the selection of music and why to put on more dance this time, but that does change our view of the overall quality, no matter the reason. Also regarding market situation. There is no point in discussing this in the review because it does not have any influence on the actual quality after release, only before release - and what we review is what is released.

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When you think about what a compiler can do to announce a slight change in the concept you will realize that we already informed about it from the beginning with the intention not to surprise nor to disappoint anyone...it's mentioned in the intro words, press info, forum topics, on IDP BIDH site + also included in the spots that there are Italo & Euro traxx on Vol. 3, therefore I would not talk about a big surprise

we cannot put a big sticker on compi saying: attention there are some euro traxx on it too...

I think not so good to complain about something which is stated clearly taking it as main argument to lower the quality of a product not taking many other facts into consideration like the product mission, what the compilation offers, specials, known feedbacks or references of the material included, release territory, product target audience, market situation etc.

It is not mentioned anywhere that I nor anyone else were surprised. Personally I quickly noticed the change. The disappointment is the change, not any lack of info about the change.

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basically true, the active users are indeed what I would call "hardcore italodance fans" anyway what you did not take into consideration is that the readers and non-active visitors are not only hardcore fans but also normal dance listeners being interested in italodance too arriving via google, links on dance boards, radio & general music promo sites etc.

IDP is the official promo partner of BIDH and the link is in every BIDH booklet and in all compi announcements...people come here to listen through the BIDH samples or to check what's on IDP site, the reviews, what's written in the forum etc...

if you write a front site review of an italo product I think it could be good to write it not only from a personal italo specialist's point of view (or at least mention that the one or other argument is a specific personal point of view)...

if I would come here as normal dance listener (e.g. as Eurodance listener from US) who is interested in italodance too and see the rating + read this review I would get a wrong impression of the product since info about product mission (best of since vol. 2 + news + local hits and top artists), release territory and a lot of specials which only this compilation offers, the international top artists or songs (some of them released in many countries), target territory hits, first compiled traxx or mixes or special remixes is not really mentioned...furthermore I see a rating which is based on the main argument that there are some Euro traxx on a compilation which announced that there are some Euro traxx on it too

Actually I can't answer you from the site's point of view because IDP has not formulated any official politics, but personally I review as an italodance listener for italodance listeners. It is nice to be recognized by listeners of other styles too of course but as I already mentioned earlier you would not go to a specialized site such as IDP, if you wanted a review from a eurodance or a mainstream listener's point of view.
Actually I do not understand why you complain about this because the review clearly states at the end that BIDH vol.III is recommended for dance listeners.

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To be honest, the first time i saw the review of the BIDH Vol. III i wasn't "happy" at all. Sure, 3 stars stands for "average" which is still a motivation, in my opinion, to buy it as as italo listener. But i think it's not a motivation for a dance listener to order it.

If i compare other compilations with this one, i have to say the BIDH Vol. III is full of quality, you open the booklet and see what passion & love is given to this compilation series. I would have given this release 4 -5 stars, because i think it's good overall.

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To be honest, the first time i saw the review of the BIDH Vol. III i wasn't "happy" at all. Sure, 3 stars stands for "average" which is still a motivation, in my opinion, to buy it as as italo listener. But i think it's not a motivation for a dance listener to order it.

If i compare other compilations with this one, i have to say the BIDH Vol. III is full of quality, you open the booklet and see what passion & love is given to this compilation series. I would have given this release 4 -5 stars, because i think it's good overall.

nice to see your post & opinion here Bernd I think you see what's behind it and also see it from another point of view...

what I criticise here is not a personal opinion of a product etc. (I can live very well with constructive criticism or personal opinions or ratings and posts @ topics) or the good intention to review italo products...it's mainly the way how it's done and which effects it has...

I think half of the dance fans arriving at IDP front page seeing an average to bad rating of a reviewed product won't even read the review to find out that it's basically a very good product for dance listeners and that the rating is mainly based on subjective view of an italodance hardcore fan...that's kind of misleading and also not very good for making things better for italodance when you see the intention and goal of this product + why there are some Euro traxx on it too...

If we want that the international situation for italodance will get better in my point of view we have to try to re-introduce italo again on int. level presenting it from its best possible side which should at least be near other dance style products on the market with regard to quality...

at the moment I think that's only possible by collecting the best traxx of months + adding some int. arguments making a product more interesting...meaning presenting italo together with top names or similar style traxx (Eurodance), remixes of top names, target territory hits or other style remixes (on singles). That's exactly what we try with BIDH...

If Prezioso or Ross etc. would for example include 1-2 italo versions in top quality of the past on their new singles I think we can be happy and cannot say the product quality is not so good because there are 3 other style mixes on the release too...the goal behind it would be great cause they would try to re-introduce quality italo together with other styles on int. level...anyway they do not do it atm...if every known italo artist would do it I think we would already have better times...

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C.Y.T. wrote:

what I criticise here is not a personal opinion of a product etc. (I can live very well with constructive criticism or personal opinions or ratings and posts @ topics) or the good intention to review italo products...it's mainly the way how it's done and which effects it has...

I would like to see arguments arguing that this review is not constructive regarding criticism, which you talk a lot about.
For me to see it clearly states a problem and how to solve it - less dance more italo. Whether you want to follow it is your decision, but that would make a better compilation and surely also a better review. The market situation can be considered I agree, but we already had that discussion elsewhere lots of times here at IDP. The work on the cover and booklet is nice - as mentioned in the review, but again it's not something that has much importance on the rating.

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I think half of the dance fans arriving at IDP front page seeing an average to bad rating of a reviewed product won't even read the review to find out that it's basically a very good product for dance listeners and that the rating is mainly based on subjective view of an italodance hardcore fan...that's kind of misleading and also not very good for making things better for italodance when you see the intention and goal of this product + why there are some Euro traxx on it too...

I'm sorry but you must understand that the target group of IDP is listeners of mainly italodance, it is not listeners of eurodance. I'll gladly repeat myself: if you want to hear the opinion from a eurodance listener you don't go to IDP you go to a more proper source.
By saying it's bad for italodance, misleading or doesn't make things better, I think you put too much into just one review, no one can know for sure and it might just have close to zero importance besides the TBM DJ review surely doesn't make things worse or do you disagree?

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I'm getting kind of.. annoyed reading what youre saying here... :/

What you're basically saying is that Luc doesn't have a right to write his opinion, just because you disagree with him & think that he's telling everyone your cd is bad.
& thats not right. Everyone has their right to their own opinions & choose how they feel about stuff. I believe everyone decides themselves how they feel about stuff.

Just because Luc didn't think it was SUPER AWESOME, doesn't mean that everyone that reads his review agrees with him.
What I think most of us here are upset about is how little italo there acutally is on this "italo album". Compared to the previous BIDH compilations (which i absolutely love!!!:eek:) this one I would say, is bad... Because, as i wrote, there isn't much italo on it, & i usually dont listen to the other genres on the cd.

I understand what you're trying to do, like spread italo among people that usually wouldn't listen to italo, & i think that's a smart idea, really!
But it doesn't mean that we, the italo lovers (), would appreciate the "other-genre" tracks on the album...

So short; Just because Lucy didn't give if 6 stars doesn't mean that everyone who reads this will think it's bad, unless they agree with him.

February 22nd, 2009 - 21:51

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dano wrote:

What you're basically saying is that Luc doesn't have a right to write his opinion, just because you disagree with him & think that he's telling everyone your cd is bad. & thats not right. Everyone has their right to their own opinions & choose how they feel about stuff. I believe everyone decides themselves how they feel about stuff.

So short; Just because Lucy didn't give if 6 stars doesn't mean that everyone who reads this will think it's bad, unless they agree with him.

nop, I think u did not get the point...everyone has the right and can post or say his / her personal opinion...furthermore a personal opinion or constructive criticism is also respected and useful...

what I want to state is that a "review" and a "personal opinion" are different things...a "review" is based on objective analyses and knowledge what am writing about or reviewing, it's for the public and should give advise for potential readers (in that case italo hardcore fans & dance lovers who like italo besides other styles visiting and reading through the site) Therefore writing a review is not easy....a "personal opinion" is nearly 100% subjective representing the opinion of 1 person or fan only etc...a big difference if someone is commenting a topic or writing a review...in this case this review is like a forum post from my point of view, it's respected and OK and would fit as comment in a topic...

I compare it a bit like Amazon would write a general product review which is based on 1 user comment of many different ones posted under the product page Wouldn't be objective at all, nor reflecting what the mass interested in the product thinks or what the product offers nor be good for the sales if they put an average to not so good rating of this user on product front page which will cause that many users visiting the page would not even read the review cause they are not interested in an average or bad product even when it would be the perfect product for at least some of them

greetz
C.Y.T.

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February 22nd, 2009 - 22:19

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dano wrote:

...What you're basically saying is that Luc doesn't have a right to write his opinion, just because you disagree with him & think that he's telling everyone your cd is bad. & thats not right.

That's not what i understand in the postings of CYT. He only thinks, and i agree with him, it's no review - it's more like a personal opinon from a hardcore italo listener. Writing reviews isn't easy at all, probably that's why i never written a review and i'm happy that CFE has much talent for it.

Beside that, all members are allowed to post their thoughts about a release, a review or anything else considering the content of this site & forum.

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February 22nd, 2009 - 23:33

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February 23rd, 2009 - 16:37

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Bernd wrote:

it's no review - it's more like a personal opinon from a hardcore italo listener.

By saying that you need to draw a line between those two concepts. In my opinion the difference between a strictly personal opinion and a review lies in the target group it is aimed for.
A personal opinion is rather an outburst than a recommendation.
In a review you argue for buying or not with your target group in mind, when writing your personal opinion you rarely write for any specific target group and you don't necessarily need to argue for your opinion which you do in a review.
I agree that this is not the most detailed review ever because I didn't have time and Lucky65 hadn't much either, therefore it's length. Even so I don't see anything wrong in it's points of view or objectivity for that matter.

At least I hope we can agree that reviews written by italo-fans are some of what IDP is all about.

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